"I Yam what I Yam"....Tony's Sexuality

[SofiaGiovanna]

He alluded briefly in Luxury Lounge to getting some stirrings again....I'm wondering, when and how is Tony going to re-discover the wonderful world of sex.

I don't mean to be prurient. Is anyone else surprised that he hasn't gotten the urge sooner, or acted on it sooner (or asked to have it acted on, ala Jack Aprile in the hospital?) Granted, Tony had a devastating injury...but isn't it time?

He is smoking cigars, walking well, beginning to eat well (although still more blandly than usual) and we know Tony's a man of bodily pleasures: cigars, scotch, and women. We also know that he's used to a variety of women, and a variety of sexual encounters. Is Carm going to be "it" for him from now on (not that she's chopped liver....she's hinted at this sexual side that we really haven't seen).



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[ObservingEgo]

I venture to guess that Tony will be enacting his old libidinous virility before too long. At the same time he does demonstrate the behavior and attitude of male cardiac patients who continue to nurse along their "ailment" while fearing "doing it." His reluctance with Carmela was realistic (given his recent injury), yet I am thinking transitory...

Doesn't Rachel Weisz appear next week?

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[peeayebee]

I don't know about Rachel Weisz, but Julianna Marquelis (sp?) does.

I also wonder how Tony will reinitate himself sexually. (Good point about cardiac patients, ObsEgo.) Perhaps part of his reformed self is to subdue his baser desires: sex, food, his temper.

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[SofiaGiovanna]

(in order)

OE, you're right....I think he has been tentative and also, he hasn't really been "tempted" yet by a Gloria type, or a Valentina type. It's been kind of odd not to see the earthy side of Tony and nice (familiar) to see it come back....one of my favorite scenes thus far this season, as others have mentioned also, is Tony wrestling the a/c top. Classic...and genuine anger as opposed to the fake Perry episode.

Peeayebee, another thing related to the reinitiation is that the Carm/Tony roles have kind of been reversed. I remember Carm saying to the male therapist (sigmund freud looking type--the one who urged her to leave Tony) or Fr. Intintola that she was complicit in Tony's infidelities by passively (happily? at the time?) abdicating that part of her wifely duties to his goomars...she'd cook, she'd mother....that part of wifely life and they'd provide the sex part that she was too busy for.

Now, we're seeing Carm as a sexual woman (if only she could have confessed what she said to a comatose Tony to an awake Tony) and it's Tony who is not performing...for now, at least.



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[bacala]

i for one am excited to see how Tony will deal with his sexual cravings and infidelity now with his new outlook on life. It seemed from the first episode that maybe Tony didn't even have a goomar this season? But who know...

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[ChristophersRelapse]

I joked about this a few weeks ago, but I think this coming week's preview sure does make it seem like he's going to nail JM... Sorta feel bad for Carm if that is the case, but I guess if everyone else is allowed to relapse...

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[ObservingEgo]

Yes! Julianna Marguiles....I get her mixed up with Rachel Weisz. My bad...

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[SofiaGiovanna]

Luca, for a minute (before downing a gallon of Pepsi) I thought you meant JM as in Jennifer Melfi....whoa nelly!

PS Two cents--I agree with FOMW and others that for dramatic purposes Tony shouldn't boink Melfi in "real life" but gee would I like the satisfaction of seeing that in another dream sequence. Sigh.

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[FlyOnMelfisWall]

I'm still clinging to the hope (faint belief) that Tony will quit his philandering. I don't expect it will happen without missteps in the beginning. And it certainly won't happen without temptations. The JM character (no, not Melfi<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"> ) is obviously going to be one or the other of these.

But the signs of a new chapter in the marriage, even before the shooting, were there. I count it as pretty significant that his and Carm's sex life was apparently more active -- and more risque -- than it's been at any point during the series. Since the shooting, they seem closer than ever. Carm is as doting, protective, and attentive as a mother. Tony is opening up to her emotionally as never before (the conversation about Junior and his mother.) He's even showing his romantic side, shocking the heck out of her by asking her to dance, something that clearly hasn't happened in a decade or two, judging from Carm's reaction. Put together with the emptiness Tony was finding in goomars and casual sex last season as well as the fidelity Tony exhibited in his NDE, I feel like this area is the one where true change has a chance to gain hold without his mob life demanding otherwise.

The previews for next week suggested to me that whatever JM wants with Tony (we know from the official promo material that she plays a real estate agent) must become a subject in therapy. Tony was expressing to Melfi great enthusiasm for an "outside venture". Melfi's expression seemed anything but enthusiastic. I wonder if she will see, even at this early stage, that this is yet another of Tony's Livia-driven pursuits, or maybe even a subconscious effort to atone for his perceived failings re Gloria, since the JM character is a saleslady, like Gloria. Should be interesting to see how Tony processes it all, aided by Melfi's insights.

</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p098.ezboard.com/bthechaselounge.showUserPublicProfile?gid=flyonmel fiswall>FlyOnMelfisWall</A> at: 4/26/06 3:18 pm

[CaliberCutChops]

I never want to see Tony and Melfi together, that would ruin their relationship to me and he would think of her as another girl and not take her seriously anymore. It would mess it all up.

And I hope he steers clear of the infidelity. Him and Carm now are doing great.

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[Hrurusch]

i think tony was being holier than reality in the coma since he was scared.feeling still the devil on his butt he is trying to be a holy, but somehow he did do a sin now although he didnt want to...and voila soon his little thing will spray again, either because he was sinning or because he feels innocent and did his job.
wouldnt wonder me, if vito bites it soon.


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[nofoils]

It had been implied previously in this season that Tony could be weakening,in all the necessary areas.I think the next manifestation of Tony's weakening will be impotence.(He used to dream of losing his power by his penis falling off,and a bird flying away with it)
He may try to compensate by keeping appearances in front of his "friends",but his life with Carmela may become strained again for this reason.
This,I believe, could be a way Tony will have to pay for his misdeeds; a series of humiliations.It's probable there will be many to come in Tony's future.

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[EndofAlice]

Hadn't considered impotence . . . hope it doesn't go that way, though you make a good point.

Fly, that is a good summary and I don't have time today for a thoughtful response -- but I hope you will keep this thread as it's own subject so we can discuss how it develops in the rest of the season. I believe there was a similar discussion in another thread regarding the scene with the vitamin e oil, and my response here would likely be similar to that one. Looking forward to seeing what happens tonight.

Quick question -- wasn't the NDE faithfulness because the woman said no, not Tony? I will have to rewatch to be sure, but I think she said she saw the happiness on his face or in his voice when he talked to his wife and therefore she said nothing was going to happen between them.

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[FlyOnMelfisWall]

I honestly don't know if it makes sense to move this thread here, what with the "Tony Changing" thread moved as well. But as this thread had a forward looking inquiry about how Tony would rediscover sex, I thought it would be useful to consolidate here the commentary on at least the "mechanical" aspects of it.:-)

<span style="font-size:medium;">To the extent you want to comment on the character changes shown by the last scene, do that in the "Tony Changing" thread instead.</span>

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[Detective Hunt]

I think it's a good idea to move the thread, Fly. It will certainly be of some interest after this episode. But I agree also - much of this subject will certainly be part of a possible Tony changing discussion. In many ways, this particular subject informs the greater whole of that possible change.

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[FlyOnMelfisWall]

I see they omitted the "Did you come?" line from the bed scene. I wonder why. Seemed to fit Tony's insecurity about Carmela referring to it only as "nice".

I haven't Tivoed yet and wonder if anyone caught what Tony said to Melfi that touched off the conversation about "extra curricular" sex. Did he say something about the sex with Carmela not being satisfying? Or did he say that SHE didn't like it?

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[EndofAlice]

Because there is no tv in my home, I rarely ever get to see an episode live. Circumstances tonight let me, and what an episode. I can't re-watch until tomorrow -- but thank you for keeping this thread, I think it deserves it's importance as a part of Tony's change and is somewhat definining. But I think a character's sexuality is defining.







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[jimmythefish82]

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I haven't Tivoed yet and wonder if anyone caught what Tony said to Melfi that touched off the conversation about "extra curricular" sex. Did he say something about the sex with Carmela not being satisfying? Or did he say that SHE didn't like it?<hr></blockquote>

Fly,

He's likening AJ to a "bad smell" and says it's not good for him and Carm - "no aphrodisiac". And since he's been feeling better since the shooting, you couldnt blame a man for looking for some extra curricular activity in that sense.

So I guess the answer to your question is "neither" <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D">



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[EndofAlice]

Since not much conversation, I expect the topic is covered elswhere . . . Fly, thank you for keeping the thread open.

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