Paulie's father

[brunogambia]

Did Paulie say his father's name was Russ? If so, would it be too much of a stretch to think that maybe Hugh DeAngelis' friend Russ Fagoli (?) is his father? Weren't he and Hugh WWII buddies? That certainly would ruin the image that Carmella's mom had of him.

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[Mizmoon]

Interesting thought. Maybe.

my first thought was "Russ is not an Italian name". Don't you have to be a full-blooded Italian to be in the mob?

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[brunogambia]

I think on your Ma's side, but that guy is Italian.

On the home front, Carmela throws a 75th birthday barbecue for her father, Hugh. (The shindig is intended to be a surprise until Junior tips off the birthday boy: "At our age it's enough surprise we're still alive every morning.") Tony is not initially invited to the party, but when Hugh insists that he be there, Carmela relents. So Tony shows up, to the deep dismay of Carmela's mother. She's mortified to have her mobster son-in-law grilling "sazeech" near her "cultured Italian" friends, Dr. Russ and Lena Fegoli. Russ Fegoli, who has a Ph.D. in international affairs, is a retired "assistant to the Ambassador to the Vatican."

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[billymac]

If Russ Fegoli were Paulie’s real father that would indeed be a sweet karmic “bitch slap” to Mrs. DeAngelis’and her imperial smugness. But I fear it is not the case.

&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp In her “deathbed confession” to Paulie about the truth, Dottie states that while a novitiate working at the USO during the war there was this “soldier” Russ, and he was so lonely. Russ Fegoli was not a “soldier”; he was a “sailor” as confirmed by Hugh DeAngelis’ story “When we were kids in the Navy, he had such a bad case of crabs, we used to call him the governor of Maryland.”

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[HagensBing1977]

If "Russ" was German-American, Irish-American, or even Greek...then would Paulie ever be eligible to get made in the first place??? I thought you had to be full-Italian so they could trace your roots back to the old country (Italy). I'm not sure how many ethic groups generally used the name "Russell" during that timeframe. Maybe Paulie shouldn't have told T his story... if Phil found out, wouldn' t he use it against the NJ crew??? Neither NY or NJ has any members that are anything but 100% Italian.

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[brunogambia]

Why wouldn't he be a soldier? I'm no expert on the military, but I have an uncle in the Navy who fought on D-Day.

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[billymac]

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Why wouldn't he be a soldier? I'm no expert on the military, but I have an uncle in the Navy who fought on D-Day. <hr></blockquote>

Army personnel are referred to as "soldiers"; Navy personnel are referred to as "sailors"

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[Hrurusch]

as a nun or novitiate you might call anybody in an uniform a soldier though, they all look alike to you, especially at the USO where all kinds of 'soldiers' hang out i guess.
And the sentence about that guy...“When we were kids in the Navy, he had such a bad case of crabs, we used to call him the governor of Maryland.” kind of says a lot and was probably already scripted as a long shot in season 5 or whenever it was.


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[Soda drink]

Kick Paulie out? I don't think so. Too valuable.

Kill Paulie for this sole reason? No way. A technicality everybody (if they found out) would EASILY look pass and forget.

Lol, I honestly don't see how any of this revelation is going to give ANYBODY the balls in challenging Paulie's rightful place in the Soprano mob family.

Tony nor Paulie ever gave any clue or indication of the slightest that this was viewed as a mob problem rather than just a personal problem for Paulie.Tony even chuckled at the revelation. Tony sees it more as a "so what?" type of situation and is only giving advice because he's the boss.

Are we to believe that Tony (as of right now) would exploit a loyal captain's "darkest" secret? I don't think so. There are plenty of other reasons why Tony should/could kill Paulie.

Afterall, A mob boss is in therapy and apparently in the "Soprano" world - that's A-OK for everyone.

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[Hrurusch]

hey, who knows...maybe that guy is Carmellas father too :P.

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[half Cusumano]

I don't know if there are specific rules for both mother and father being full blooded Italian. Aren't those just Henry Hill's words?

The mother movie of them all, The Godfather, had Michael marry and have children with Kay, an American. Michael fully intended for his son to be next (remember he also flipped out when Kay had an abortion, he wanted to know if it was a son). Major flaw by Puzo?

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[Jason the Magnificent]

To be a made guy, both parents have to be Italian. Puzo went in his own direction with everything, as great of a story as it was/is, its a romanticized fiction. Michael could very well have passed the torch to his son...he could do whatever he wanted, he was killing everyone off to benefit himself. Who would be there to contest him even if he started "making" Pacific Islanders?

At this point I don;t think anyone would even care about Paulie...maybe his father wasn't Italian...maybe he was. Theres no way on Earth of proving it either way. They going to track down the GI? I don't think so.

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[vincentvegalondon]

How can you even contemplate the "possibility" of Russ Fagoli being Paulies father?!? There are what millions of guys called Russ in the world and ther was no connection whatsoever between Carmellas fathers friend and Paulies aunt/ma, so how incredible and stupid would it be if that guy turned out to be Paulies father. The Sopranos is way to intelligent as a show to do something like that.


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[The Gray Eagle]

"There are what millions of guys called Russ in the world"

Probably several hundred guys who served in the US military in WWII were named Russ. It was a fairly common name 50 years ago, but it's not exactly like John or Joe or Bill. Some of the guys with that name would have likely gone by Russell instead of Russ.

It seemed a little strange that they specifically said the name Russ, a couple of different times. And that they specifically made a big deal about Russ Fegoli being a skirt chaser when he was on the show.

The odds are against this guy being Paulie's father, but I haven't seen anything yet to rule it out.

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[jayneezy]

Paulie is liable to kill his father if he finds out who he is....lol

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[The Original G Man]

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>The odds are against this guy being Paulie's father, but I haven't seen anything yet to rule it out. <hr></blockquote>

Even better ... Russ Fegoli is NOT Paulie's father, but Paulie thinks he is! LOL!

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[The Gray Eagle]

"Even better ... Russ Fegoli is NOT Paulie's father, but Paulie thinks he is! LOL! "
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Actually, that would explain why they made sure to mention the name Russ a couple times-- if Paulie ever meets this guy Russ, or even hears someone mention him being a WWII vet, he would definitely assume that it's his father.

Tony (and everyone else at the party) has met this Russ guy and knows he was in WWII, if anyone happens to mention it to Paulie, that would set him off for sure into a crazed search for his "real" father. And that wouldn't be good news for Russ.

I could see that happening, it's more likely than Russ actually being his father.



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[The Original G Man]

It could be one of the greatest scenes in Soprano's history. Would be extremely fitting if he came to this conclusion while they were all at Tony's for a Fathers Day cookout! LOL!

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[brunogambia]

How can I? Because watching this show for so long makes me think that there's a purpose to every scene and every character.

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[patriquem]

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Even better ... Russ Fegoli is NOT Paulie's father, but Paulie thinks he is! LOL! <hr></blockquote>

But Paulie was not at that pool party in the "Marco Polo" ep, so the only way he would even be aware of the existence Russ Fegoli is if someone else told him about him. The only wiseguy who had enough dialogue with Russ at that party was Tony. And why would Tony bring him up to Paulie? The only answer I can offer is that Tony feels insulted by Fegoli's comment that Beretta saves their best guns (recall, Tony gave Hugh DeAngelis a Beretta as a birthday present) for the Italian market. But that's a stretch, IMO.

It could happen, I suppose, but I don't see it fitting in to the story arc of this season. It's just as likely that they introduce a new character named Russ who Paulie suspects of being his father. The series has a way of bringing in "one-off" characters who have back stories with member of the main cast (Aunt Dottie, for example).

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[The Original G Man]

If it ever happened I would envision it happening at a future Soprano family cookout.

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[billymac]

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HagensBing1977

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info on Mrs. Gualtieri's husband???
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Sorry if this has been brought up before but- who was Mrs. Gualtieri's husband (Paulie's believed-to-be-father)??? When did he die and who was he?? Did he get Paulie into the business??? Thanks for any info you might be able to provide.


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jayneezy

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they didnt get into that...i don't believe they did at all...


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HagensBing1977

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has the show ever made reference to him? then what is known?


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jayneezy

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i don't think the show did.....all i remember is him saying his mother bailed him out alot....


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HagensBing1977

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because Paulie is such a deep character that we've known since Season 1, it seems that knowing more about his relationship w/ his father would shed some light on things. we know about Chris's mother and father. does Paulie's own behaviors, or his military background, come as a result of Mrs. Gualtieri's husband's influence on his early life????


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patriquem

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I hate to inject too much "real world" into a fictional show, but for Paulie to have enlisted in the service, he would have had to produce a birth certificate. For him not to know that Nucci was not his birth mother, his Aunt Dottie (the nun) would have had to arrange something with her doctor prior to Paulie's birth; but it's hard to fake a birth certificate.


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Jason the Magnificent

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You're also speaking about the same military that let people in early who faked their age...you really think they cared that much? This wasn't in the information age like now. Any half arsed faked document probably sufficed back then.


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Soda drink

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excellent point. My 90 yr old ousin was in enlisted and in the 70's had the exact same revelation that his mom was not really his mom...

but he's not a psycho like paulie lol.


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Ant95

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Paulie's father was brought up a few times, most recently in season 4 when he sees carmine at a wedding and he says to Paulie "didn't ure father get run over by a trolley?"


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HagensBing1977

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"didn't ure father get run over by a trolley?"
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That was a hilarious line. Carmine didn't know who Paulie was though at that wedding, so I'm not sure if he'd know his father.


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Ant95

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its been mentioned at other times by others as well as in that coffee table hard cover sopranos book


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haironmelfistwat


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It wasn't too hard to "doctor" a birth certificate in the 1940s. Maybe Paulie's real name is Paulie Gaultierizozyckiowitz...


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skaliz


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"didn't ure father get run over by a trolley?"
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I think Carmine was beeing sarcastic.

But thats the closest thing anyone ever got to talk about Paulies father I think.

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Ant95

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no his father really did get hit by a trolley



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blenni0951

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Paulie's Luke Skywalher Moment
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Brian’s Rating: 5.0/5.0

The vacillation between comedy and tragedy performed like a well tuned V8.

Paulie has a Luke Skywalker moment. Note that his biological mother, the nun, looked like Darth Vader after Luke removes the helmet in “Return of the Jedi”.

And what was that song during the credits??? :-)



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MrTaste

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i dont know about the song blenn... but i must admit.. 'luke, I am your father' was just what i heard in my head when paulie got that news..


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MrTaste

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and... good point... the fine line between comedy and tragedy was never more effectively walked than in this episode.. at the same time I was laughing at paulie, my heart was breaking for him... not a question really of sympathy, because he certainly behaved like a first class swine, but then again, he's not a particularly highly evolved individual so his reaction is at least understandable.. and his pain is no less real just because he's an asshole. Does he deserve it? That's another thread.


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blenni0951

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I was kidding ... it's Pink Floyd's "One of These Days" from "Meddle". The only lyric is "One of these days I am going to cut you into little pieces".



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[Reffy]

Russ Fegoli is the only on board character that could fit as Paulie's father. Anyone else would be too young. Plus he is too good and devoted to a cause just as Paulie's real mother is too good and devoted to being a nun. So much devotion that the kid is left behind and he turns out evil. Maybe he needs to be redemption as does Tony for being in a life he never chose for himself.

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[stangclassic66]

The idea of this guy Russ being Paulie's father is totally ridiculous. Some of you guys or gals must watch too much General Hospital or Days of Our Lives since what happens on those shows....really are truly unbelievable.

Remember here folks, David Chase is writing a "realistic" series where people don't come back from the dead or unbelieveable things happen. Big pussy is never coming back, Ralphie isn't coming back, Adriana will forever be dead.

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