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Giuseppe Soprano
March 13th, 2006, 11:36 AM
Havent had the opportunity to watch 'Member's Only' being a UK resident and not really trusting bit torrents, however am obviously aware of Eugene's fate.

One of the first things that came to my mind was how Tony would react to this news and whether he would turn this in on himself and whether it will become a further trigger for him to question himself in light of what the 'Everybody Hurts' spent pretty much the whole episode addressing in light of the suicide of Gloria and attempted suicide of Artie.

It could very well be that when Tony supposedly comes around from his coma, that he will have far more pressing things on his mind in thanking his lucky stars that hes still alive etc. and Eugene's fate, other than its affect on the business may not really feature too much in the scheme of things to Tony?

I think that in time and as long as Eugenes role as an FBI informant remains unknown, Tony MUST in some sense question if/whether/what was his role/contribution which led to Eugene deciding to hang himself??

That fact that Tony directly rejected an appeal for him to retire makes me think that in an moral self-questioning that Tony would face some kind of inner conflict/responsibiility as in the case of Gloria and Artie, or could it indeed be the case that Artie and Gloria affected Tony morally owing to them being 'loved ones' (for want of a better word) as it were, and with Eugene being a mere associate by comparison and someone who Tony spelt the rules out to of this life in black on white on his retirement request, Tony may thus take on the the attitude of 'you made your bed, you lie in it', (alluding to the Member's Only title choice).

After all, Vin Makasian's death didnt bear that heavily on him initially, even if its moral facets were exposed as subsequently becoming deeply suppressed within Tony's pysche as was revealed in 'Test Dream' (although Vin was an outsider associate whereas Gene was part of The Family)

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FlyOnMelfisWall
March 13th, 2006, 12:15 PM
If Tony remains unaware that Eugene was cooperating with the FBI, and I don't see for now how he'd learn otherwise, he will definitely feel guilt and responsibility for denying him the chance to leave. It will look as though Eugene felt so trapped and hopeless in "the life", and was so determined to get out and free his family to move to Florida and free his son from his own influence as a role model, that he took the only "honorable" out left to him. And ,actually, all that's true, except that he was also denied another out that wasn't so honorable.

A couple of lines were aimed at establishing that Eugene and Tony have more of a personal relationship/rapport than we've been led to believe thus far. The stuff about playing "CYO ball" together and going "way back". And I didn't realize that Eugene was Tony's age, but he must be because he stated he would be 50 in three years. Tony was born in 1959 and is @ 46-47 himself. So they have apparently been acquainted since youth or adolescence. That will further ensure that Tony will take his suicide pretty seriously.

Of course I'm not sure when he'll be hearing about any of it since we've got to iron out the little question of Tony's survival -- or not -- in the coming weeks.:-)

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Giuseppe Soprano
March 13th, 2006, 12:37 PM
Good point Fly - having not seen the episode yet i wasnt privy to the whole age thing etc, but i suppose there have been some points over the years to suggest a 'friendship' between Tony and Gene which would suggest Tony feeling sme guilt over his suicide - we also had the instance where Tony was at the golf course when he bumped into Junior's neurologist and Tony was just jumping off the glof course with Gene with the 2 laughing and joking together - the golf meeting didnt seem to be set up for any 'Business reasons' as there were no NY big hitters there so this would add credence to the idea of Tony and Gene enjoying a wider friendship.

Fly, i do like the comparitive points you raise i.e. Tony and Eugene/his son and how Eugene seeked suicide as a 'way out' for him.....makes me wonder if Tony would ever contemplate this route, either out of panic, fear, or contemplated thought, as a salvation for AJ.

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Mizmoon
March 13th, 2006, 12:44 PM
I wonder if Tony really learned anything from "Everybody Hurts". If you recall when he dumped Valentina in the hospital she threatened to kill herself and he hardly noticed or cared.

It made me think that his reaction to Gloria's suicide was more akin to his "high sentimentality mode" melodramatics than any real concern for another human being.

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SofiaGiovanna
March 13th, 2006, 12:46 PM
I wonder how Eugene's wife is going to handle this...now she has the burden of raising a young daughter (who clearly loved dad) and dealing with a junkie son on her own....I don't know if she'll quietly settle into the life of a good widow like Rosalie and Angie.

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