Mention of an alternative ending existing and other good links

[bloodshot]

i stumbled upon an article in Wikipedia that says there may be an alternative ending. 1st time i've heard that it may exist. don't know how creditable TVBLOGGER is though. anybody confirm?

http://www.tvblogger.org/2007/07/alternate-sopranos-ending-revealed.html

also found Chase's latest comments about movie from last weds

http://www.hollywood.com/news/Chase_No_Sopranos_Movie/4997438

Finally, and it's tough to watch, link to the pork store being torn down (die hard sopranos advisory)

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2e9_1194977507

[Irishwiseguy]

Holy shit!!! Why did they tare the place down? I thought it was going to act as a museum of some sort. They sure would of made a few bucks. Fuck thats depressing. As for the movie, no I don't want a movie.

As for the alternate ending, I don't know I have to think it over.

[bloodshot]

from what i heard they're putting in condo's and selling the bricks for $10 to 20

[Rike]

That alternate ending article is fascinating! It makes a hell of a lot of sense, except I can't imagine why they would have changed it to what aired. Thanks for sharing!

[Irishwiseguy]

Why would Phil want to whack Tony at his house? I know Tony wouldn't suspect it. But come on, that would link Phil directly to the murder. Little carmine a rat? He is rarely ever up in Jersey, so I'm not sure about that one. Also if the sopranos family is on the lam during the last scene, why are they so casually eating in a restaurant in the middle of Jersey? and don't look worried at all. I suppose it could of been filmed several times and acted differently. Other then that the theory isn't bad. But why make up theories about alternative endings when I barely know what the real ending means? lol

[bloodshot]

the 1 thing that always clicked w/ me are phils comments "cooler heads prevailed" i always thought that was a bit out of context and pertained to another scene. some day it will all make sense

[Nick2007]

from what i heard they're putting in condo's and selling the bricks for $10 to 20

Is that going to be on ebay? I want one !

[JonnySoprano]

a movie would ruin what i see as aperfect ending.

please david chase do not make a movie that would be the biggest sell out ever. its a masterpiece as it is leave it alone

[cjam74]

Can someone copy and paste the alternate ending? I can't access tvblogger.org

[bloodshot]

thats interesting that they locked everyone out of the TVblogger article. now i wish i did cut and paste the original alternative story.

[DaViE]

thats interesting that they locked everyone out of the TVblogger article. now i wish i did cut and paste the original alternative story.

Hi bloodshot, can you please describe in a few words what was written there. http://thechaselounge.net/fusion/smilies/smile.gif

[bloodshot]

basically, several of the last scenes were aranged differently. the focus would have been on little carmine's and tony's visit to Phil's house was an actual planned hit on tony that was cancelled-hence phil's comments, "cooler heads prevailed". the way the scenes would have been rearranged would have put more of an importance on that aspect. i can't remeber much more then that though.

[DaViE]

Thanks bloodshet.

But isn't it an old story? I heard about similar stuff months ago.

[Irishwiseguy]

Basically the way the scenes were edited in the other version made the ending more obvious. If you believe Anthony Soprano was shot.

[Universal Polymath]

I'm not sure I buy all that, though. Seems like a whole lot of hearsay. I'm pretty sure the ending that we saw was more or less exactly what Chase had always intended (or at least, intended ever since he conceived this ending, reportedly several years ago).

[Irishwiseguy]

Yup I agree, no point of having discussions about alternative hypothetical endings. When we can have discussions about the actual ending and show.

[bloodshot]

Thanks bloodshet.

But isn't it an old story? I heard about similar stuff months ago.
I'm not really sure if this was old news. It was the 1st time I saw it laid out this way-and thanks to this website, i saw them all. the only reason i linked it was it was recently credited to a HBO source confirming it. As i mentioned, i was not sure of TV Bloogers creditbility but I was always botherd by Phils "cooler heads" comment being out of context. Besides, i look for any reason to keep coming back here.

[SilvioMancini]

I think chase intended a Stanley Kubrick type ending to a mafia based reality. Part Meta-fiction part mafia reality. Hence all the NDE experiences. The Chase Machine took things to a level that transcended the whole notion of the mafia and got to the humanity or inhumanity if you will of of our very existance. He explored the inner universe rather that try to interpet the mafia from the predictable external model. He went into the inner phyche of it. Which showed Americans that they were not that much different than Tony Soprano. We all were living vicariously a fantasy through Tony Sopranos Charecter. Which is why IMHO that in the end the whacking made us the viewer feel whacked more than Tony Soprano the charecter getting whacked. Genius beyond comparison in my opinion. He made a predictably objective TV experience feel subjective. I mean how many of you felt like having a panic attack during the last episode? Raise your hands. (lots of hands raised) See? We were the subjects of our own desires to have violent realities handed to us as entertainment. Much like the way politicians advertise war these days. Thos is what I think is Chases point in the end. The Sopranos became a mirror of American cultural phyche in a way that the Chase Machine never anticipated. Much like Bob Dylan never realized he was suc an amazing voice or person. anyway blah blah blah blah fucking blah!!!!!!!!!
What the Fuck do I know?

[badabellisima]

Well SilMan, you know a f**king lot!! i have to agree with your summation, except that at the end i didn't feel so much whacked as strangely hopeful- as if i was in Tony's shoes but looking at the fact that well- at least i'm not dead or in jail -for tonight anyway! And he had one more day with family- sometimes thats all we get.

[Pork Store]

Great post

I honestly feel that the Cloverfield monster killed the whole family. We'll know for sure on the 18th of January.

http://www.cloverfieldmovie.com/

P.S. Please mr./mrs./miss. Cloverfield monster. Don't just fuck up Manhatten. Come over to Brooklyn and raise some hell in Williamsburg.

Thanks, I love you.

[bloodshot]

a few months ago, i posted a link to an alternative ending on TVBLOGGER. oddly though, after what i persume to be many vists from CHASE LOUNGE members, the site blocked entry to the article. after thinking this was one of the more interesting theories, i actually thought the mysterious shutdown added some creedance to it. maybe not though since i never saw or heard about it again. i do enjoy reading it though so for those who missed it::


HBO Source Confirms Alternate 'Sopranos' Ending


Rumors have been floating around about an alternate Sopranos ending weeks before the series finale ever aired — and according to a source at HBO who worked on the show, the rumors are true.

The source, who wishes to remain anonymous and spoke to TV Blogger exclusively, claims that there was indeed another ending planned, comprising of the same scenes in a different sequence, with a minor alterations.


In the alternate ending the planned sit down at Phil's house was intended to be a hit on Tony, stopped only because Little Carmine was the FBI snitch. Phil’s murder preceded the death of Bobby and shooting of Sil.

Tony’s flight marked the end of the war and the series.

In ‘Second Coming’
we witness Tony curb-stomp Coco, Little Carmine convince him that he needs to apologize and the two go for a sit down at Phil's house. Upon their arrival, Butchie comes to the door and informs them there’s been a change of plans and the sit down is cancelled.

When Little Carmine and Tony are walking away, Phil screams at them from the window. But he isn't just berating Tony, he's yelling at Little Carmine too. Little Carmine asks Phil what happened and Phil responds that "Cooler heads prevailed."

Despite the fact the scene is exactly the same, Phil’s statement refers to the abortion of the planned hit, abandoned because New York learned of Little Carmine being the FBI informant.

After Phil rejects Tony's peace plea, the Soprano crew muscles up (straight to the mattress), leading to Phil’s death in the parking lot. The onslaught against the Jersey crew, most notably Bobby’s murder and the attack on Sil, is not a pre-emptive strike but retaliation to Phil’s murder.

Out manned by the New York families, Tony is forced to go into hiding. The scenes which show Tony taking care of personal affairs are rearranged to represent his permanent flight. The final scene at the diner ends the same way; only the Sopranos are on the lam in a “Last Supper” of sorts.

Considering the facts, the evidence supports the source’s claim. Phil passes on a perfect opportunity to kill Tony. Instead of inviting the defenseless boss of New Jersey into his house, he turns him away. Why abandon the planned hit, only to immediately go to war against the Jersey family?

The death of Phil being the trigger for blood shed also fits. Rather than mark victory for the Soprano crew, his murder is their demise. With Bobby's death and Sil's coma, the image of Tony falling asleep holding the assault rifle to his chest represents Jersey’s defeat.

Little Carmine being the FBI informant also makes more sense, considering how minor of a character Carlo was. How much does the audience really know about Carlo? How much of a threat is he to Tony? The reason the mob operates in a hierarchy is to create a layer between the boss and everyone else. Realistically speaking, a medium-level Lieutenant flipping wouldn't damage Tony much at all.

Accepting the notion that Tony is on the lam, the final scene carries much greater weight, providing less room for speculation. With a bounty on Tony’s head, each patron in the diner is a genuine threat. His fate is legitimately in question and everything that makes the final scene so dramatic — the music, camera work and abrupt ending — falls into place.

HBO representatives declined comment on the content of this article. The source was not aware of what the decision making process was and did not know whether a final cut of the alternate ending exists.

Keywords: The Sopranos, Ending, Alternate Ending, Spoilers, Final Season, Series Finale, Season Finale

[tvblogger]

Just wanted to tell you guys that the site wasn't blocked to this forum, it was down in general.

[bloodshot]

thanks for stopping by and clearing that up. what was your take on that version and the validity of the HBO leak.