The "Genius ending" has been done before, sorry but it's a rip off.

[Johny Foulmouth]

I'm not saying DC saw these movies, however there's a Danish movie trilogy called Pusher, and they all end like "Made in America"

Pusher
ends with the main character owing money to serbian druglords, then his prostitute friend runs off with the little money he has left. You see him running in full panic mode after the prositute as the serbs wait for him with plastic laid out across the floor. The movie just fades to black as all this is going on leaving the viewer wondering wtf happens.

Pusher II
A ex-con loser has just killed his druglord father that never showed him any respect and snatched his baby from it's crackhead mother. He gets on a bus trying to escape the drama, and all of a sudden it fades to black

Pusher III
Ends with a Serbian druglord just having disposed of two bodies, having a third foe locked up i the freezer not knowing what to do next, having to deal with his daughter's problems etc. FADE TO BLACK.

So sorry Chase, I'm not impressed. It's been done before, you're not the supergenius you thought you might be. You're not the first to build up a tense situation where people can expect just about anything to go down, and then just leave them with their cock in their hand. The only difference is that these movies ended that way to portray the hopeless situations one might find himself in being a drugdealer/criminal.. I expected more from a television show that's been running 8 years.

[fromswedenwithlove]

i have to say mate that i have watched this trilogy alot of times (dvd for the win), i love them all and the endings are as you described but i must say it never crossed my mind and will never do that the ending of the last sopranos show was a pusher trilogy ripoff. two different worlds mate :) imo

[Johny Foulmouth]

two different worlds?

serbian druglords and italian mafia, same shit different toilet

Im not saying its a direct rip off, Im just saying Chase's "GENIUS" ending has been done before, with or without all the poetic little hints for the geeks to ponder on.. it's basically leaving the viewer wondering WTF

[Johny Foulmouth]

You mean to tell me that there aren't exact same parallels between all crime families? I'm neither danish og drunk, and wtf has any of that do with my post?

You're gonna give some yankee talk about how I can't compare a lousy scandinavian country to america now?

bottomline it's the same thing, organized criminals, racketeering and dealing drugs, murdering and threatening citizens, weather they're italian, serbs, albanians, russians whatever.

[jmag]

You mean to tell me that there aren't exact same parallels between all crime families? I'm neither danish og drunk, and wtf has any of that do with my post?

You're gonna give some yankee talk about how I can't compare a lousy scandinavian country to america now?

bottomline it's the same thing, organized criminals, racketeering and dealing drugs, murdering and threatening citizens, weather they're italian, serbs, albanians, russians whatever.

Who cares.

Chase didn't call himself a genius, certain members of the press did. The show is over, go outside and play. Theres no conspiracy.

[Johny Foulmouth]

btw I wasn't this heated and angry when I first saw it, cause I asumed tony got clipped, then I start realizing that we never really knew that, and that's some BS.

In the end of the day it's a TV Show, plot driven just like any other, people have been watching cause they wanted to find out what happened, I will probably read a lot of interesting theories on this site, and give som insight myself, but most people are simple-minded and wanted a conclusion, weather it was Tony choking on a chickenbone, or AJ going columbine whacking the whole diner. I'm not saying I wanted a violent shootout, that woulda been stupid. But a damn ending, the trailers even said "EVERYTHING COMES TO AND END".. except the damn show?

I'm still sticking with my theory that tony got shot. By the black guys.

[Detective Hunt]

Keep it civil, gents. :smile:

[Johny Foulmouth]

I didn't, I compared organized criminals to organized criminals

So a italian hitman is better than a russian hitman simply cause he's italian? get outta here

[Johny Foulmouth]

they actually say something about this on the departed dvd's special features. something about Irish mobster sharing the same values, and moral as italian mobsters and the only difference is the cultural stuff from where they come from

[Guywiththegun]

So you admit that Chase probably didn't see it, and thus, probably didn't rip it off, yet you at the same time seem to have no problem with the way these Danish movies just "fade out leaving you wondering wtf happened."

And Sopranos cut to black, IMO, simulating death. What you're describing would be like The Sopranos fading to black in the midst of the NJ/NY war, leaving you wondering who won/what happened/etc.

[lordroad]

I'm not saying DC saw these movies, however there's a Danish movie trilogy called Pusher, and they all end like "Made in America"

Pusher
ends with the main character owing money to serbian druglords, then his prostitute friend runs off with the little money he has left. You see him running in full panic mode after the prositute as the serbs wait for him with plastic laid out across the floor. The movie just fades to black as all this is going on leaving the viewer wondering wtf happens.

Pusher II
A ex-con loser has just killed his druglord father that never showed him any respect and snatched his baby from it's crackhead mother. He gets on a bus trying to escape the drama, and all of a sudden it fades to black

Pusher III
Ends with a Serbian druglord just having disposed of two bodies, having a third foe locked up i the freezer not knowing what to do next, having to deal with his daughter's problems etc. FADE TO BLACK.

So sorry Chase, I'm not impressed. It's been done before, you're not the supergenius you thought you might be. You're not the first to build up a tense situation where people can expect just about anything to go down, and then just leave them with their cock in their hand. The only difference is that these movies ended that way to portray the hopeless situations one might find himself in being a drugdealer/criminal.. I expected more from a television show that's been running 8 years.

I'd just like to thank Johny for making this connection.

I'm scratching my head at the hostility in this thread. WTF? The point is the ending has been done before in a mob drama. No need to get nasty or try to derail a very interesting thread.

[JonnySoprano]

Im with lordroad, no need for this hostility guys.

Im of the opinion the ending was good, after initially thinking otherwise and i dont agree that Chase ''ripped off'' a movie, but there is NO NEED to be as hostile as you lot have been!!

[Johny Foulmouth]

So you admit that Chase probably didn't see it, and thus, probably didn't rip it off, yet you at the same time seem to have no problem with the way these Danish movies just "fade out leaving you wondering wtf happened."

And Sopranos cut to black, IMO, simulating death. What you're describing would be like The Sopranos fading to black in the midst of the NJ/NY war, leaving you wondering who won/what happened/etc.

No I don't have a problem with how these movies ended, I felt they made them that way to portray the hopeless situation a drugdealer suddenly can find himself in. These movies all end in PANIC mode and just fades away. So I felt that was the whole point of those movies, cause even if you didn't know who was gonna get killed, go to jail or whatever, you felt that terrifying paranoya the characters was left with.

I wasn't expecting Sopranos to end like that, leaving us wondering what happened. Like I said people have been watching it for 8 years.

"And Sopranos cut to black, IMO, simulating death. What you're describing would be like The Sopranos fading to black in the midst of the NJ/NY war, leaving you wondering who won/what happened/etc."

In my POV that's exactly what happened. We don't know if NY still wanted Tony dead or not, we don't know if Paulie, Patsi, Carlo all played Tony, we don't know if the feds had enough on him to lock him up forever. FFS for all we know a god damn terrorist put a bomb in that diner for finding out Tony was talking to the feds.

And yes, I think there's a difference between a movie trilogy and a 80-something episode long series.

[Guywiththegun]

We don't know because Tony died before he knew as well. That is my take on it. I don't mean to sound hostile but I think a lot of people are getting carried away with bashing this ending, and not at ALL considering ANY of the countless theories posted except "Chase cheated us! Nothing happened!"

After watching this show for this long you can't all at least CONSIDER that Chase had a point and a reason for ending it that way??

[bigbadbill007]

you wouldn't know. i don't believe it was chase who ordered the ending. it was his paymasters. TOO MUCH MONEY INVOLVED TO KILL TONY

HE IS UNTOUCHABLE AT THE MOMENT

[kevgio]

are you saying that it was the tv execs decision to end it like this i highly doubt it, this alway has and always will be chase's little baby.

[bigbadbill007]

are you saying that it was the tv execs decision to end it like this i highly doubt it, this alway has and always will be chase's little baby.

when it first started in 1997 it was chase's baby. nobody give a flying fuck about it. but the show become too big for us fans to be satisfied. its all about money mate. chase is only a "Puppet on a string". he probably would of ended it ages ago if there had not of been so much money involved in the show.

ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY DUM DUR DUM DUM

THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO M AKE MILLIONS OUT OF A FILM OR TWO BEFORE TONY SOPRANOS AND SILVIO AND PAULIE GET KILLED OFF

[bigbadbill007]

If it was all about creative writing and the bullshit that chase and co talks, why didn't silvio die last week or this week? weve had enough storylines like this with the chris and tony shootings in season 2 and 6 respectively.

They have left the door open for Tony and Sil to come back. the film would be no good if most of the characters that made the series great and extremely popular, were not in it.

[billymac]

I can't refute that money is what makes the world go round. And of course I have no facts suggesting that David Chase was not or could not be influenced to surrender some control over the product for money (hell, I would). But I'm not sure that you can say that the only reason that Sil or Paulie have been kept alive, or that Tony's future is left open, is for the sake of having them available to do a movie and make more money.

Who says that a Sopranos movie has to pick up from the end of the last episode? Chase could do a fantastic movie focusing on any time frame before that which would also let him bring back some beloved characters like Ade, Uncle Junior, Chrissy, Johnny Sac, Tony Blundetto and Big Pussy.

For that matter, he could choose to focus on the "teenage Tony" years when he and his young crew were coming up...then he could use all new actors to play younger versions of the folks we know and love. He could also go so far as to focus on the 60's when Johnny Boy and Unle June were in control.

So I think it (future movie money) played less of a role in the decision on how the series should end than others might.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Two points if I may........

1) Johny, you wrote; "But a damn ending, the trailers even said "EVERYTHING COMES TO AND END".. except the damn show?". How can you say this hombre, the show did end, I am confused by the statement and not trying to be a wiseguy? It seems you are searching for something that doesn't exist and maybe that is what Chase figured a lot of people would do, ponder-ponder-ponder. I just stumbled across now my 4th viewing of the ending and it truly does seem like "it's all there".........another day in Sopranoland.

and

2) Billymac, all those options for movies sounded great! Plus, with Gandolfini perhaps truly "done with Tony", maybe the key would be the early years prequel. Albeit, is he not in the top of his class in terms of playing a role? I saw him in the stands while watching one of the Cavs games, I believe bouncing his kid on his lap and yelled; hey Tony at the screen. So, of course I would love to see more JG play Tony in any year!

[kevgio]

The only difference is that these movies ended that way to portray the hopeless situations one might find himself in being a drugdealer/criminal....isnt this what tony is though? if chase ripped it off or not we will never know.

plus we cant say 100% that there will be a movie in the future so we can forget that for a good while.

[bigbadbill007]

I can't refute that money is what makes the world go round. And of course I have no facts suggesting that David Chase was not or could not be influenced to surrender some control over the product for money (hell, I would). But I'm not sure that you can say that the only reason that Sil or Paulie have been kept alive, or that Tony's future is left open, is for the sake of having them available to do a movie and make more money.

Who says that a Sopranos movie has to pick up from the end of the last episode? Chase could do a fantastic movie focusing on any time frame before that which would also let him bring back some beloved characters like Ade, Uncle Junior, Chrissy, Johnny Sac, Tony Blundetto and Big Pussy.

For that matter, he could choose to focus on the "teenage Tony" years when he and his young crew were coming up...then he could use all new actors to play younger versions of the folks we know and love. He could also go so far as to focus on the 60's when Johnny Boy and Unle June were in control.

So I think it (future movie money) played less of a role in the decision on how the series should end than others might.

There going to have to get some makeup artist if they are to bring back pussy and co before they were killed is well as do up tony and sil.

Without james g, you don't have a sure fire blockbuster hit. it will not be the same. Tony is what makes the show a huge hit

[billymac]

There has been alot of hostility and insults traded in this thread. You were already asked nicely by Detective Hunt to tone it down. Interact civilly or the thread will be closed and offenders banned.

[bigbadbill007]

Mistake

[bigbadbill007]

Sorry Billymac

[bigbadbill007]

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READ BILL MACS THREAD AND MY RESPONSE TO HIS IDEAS


I can't refute that money is what makes the world go round. And of course I have no facts suggesting that David Chase was not or could not be influenced to surrender some control over the product for money (hell, I would). But I'm not sure that you can say that the only reason that Sil or Paulie have been kept alive, or that Tony's future is left open, is for the sake of having them available to do a movie and make more money.

Who says that a Sopranos movie has to pick up from the end of the last episode? Chase could do a fantastic movie focusing on any time frame before that which would also let him bring back some beloved characters like Ade, Uncle Junior, Chrissy, Johnny Sac, Tony Blundetto and Big Pussy.

For that matter, he could choose to focus on the "teenage Tony" years when he and his young crew were coming up...then he could use all new actors to play younger versions of the folks we know and love. He could also go so far as to focus on the 60's when Johnny Boy and Unle June were in control.

So I think it (future movie money) played less of a role in the decision on how the series should end than others might.

There going to have to get some makeup artist if they are to bring back pussy and co before they were killed is well as do up tony and sil.

Without james g, you don't have a sure fire blockbuster hit. it will not be the same. Tony is what makes the show a huge hit

WHAT IS INSULTING ABOUT MY COMMENTS? THERE IS DEFINITELY A NAZI OR MOB LEADERSHIP ON THIS BOARD

[billymac]

I never said that anyone insulted me, treated me unkindly, or made an inappropriate response to me. And, if you look closely, my comment was made after I deleted a post by futureteller that was insulting and rude.

[bigbadbill007]

I never said that anyone insulted me, treated me unkindly, or made an inappropriate response to me.

I HAVEN'T INSULTED ANYONE. YOU WERE IMPLYING THAT I HAD

[billymac]

Bigbadbill007: look closely between your post (commenting on mine) and my subsequent warning. Do you see the "deletd" post by future teller? That was the post that required my comment.

[bigbadbill007]

Bigbadbill007: look closely between your post (commenting on mine) and my subsequent warning. Do you see the "deletd" post by future teller? That was the post that required my comment.

i do apologize dearly my fellow bill. i never read the offending post. i reALLY THOUGH IT WAS AIMED AT ME as I have had other warnings on this board

In the Former Great Britain, we get so much political correctness bullshit nowadays, it really makes me angry and forces me to go off on a rant.

Once again, I apologise mate

[billymac]

Bigbadbill007: apologies not needed. I knew it was a mistake and I was trying to make it clear to you that you were never the target of my warning. Glad you recognize that.

PEACE

[bigbadbill007]

DEAL

[bigbadbill007]

Lets get back to our debate billymac.

in a few years, your idea could be very possible. movie editing is coming on in leaps and bounds all the time. the old cast could be made to look younger

But I contest that the film will not have the same buzz if people know that nothing is going to happen to tony. James G is the sopranos

The perfect idea for me would be something along the lines of Godfather part 2with tony looking back at his earlier life (growing up and making his bones) and surviving in the present, (probably) declining mob.

[Johny Foulmouth]

I kinda made this topic while I was angry and HEATED @ how it ended.. come to think of it it's not a rip off at all. allthough it kinda reminds me of how those movies left me like :confused: :confused: