If not Paulie, then...

[terrencewintersolstice]

Carlo?

Everyone seems to think there's a traitor with Tony and people seem to be looking at Paulie. But before we assume anyone is pumping info to NY, let's review the Carlo facts:

1) He was MIA from Tony's bedroom after Chris died. Enough so that it was the crux that scene.
2) His cousin got killed in "Blue Comet" for "playing both sides."
3) He expressed admiration for Phil's disgust toward Vito in 6A. Sure, he killed Fat Dom with Sil. But it was only after Dom busted their balls about Vito being gay.

On the surface, Paulie seems to be an obvious choice. But he's not. In fact, notwithstanding his discussions with Johnny Sac in Seasons 3/4, he's been nothing but loyal. He's a petty man, but I don't think the poor showing at his mother's wake could push him to being a traitor. Could it?

I'm riding with Carlo.

Sorry if this should be in the speculation section.

[RalphiesHead]

Patsy Parisi. That's who. Something about that guy not getting shot and being behind the "misdirection" in the whole Phil Leotardo hit.....

... just doesn't sit well.

[terrencewintersolstice]

I thought Patsy was running for his life. And who said that Phil would be at his goomar's house? Because it seemed like Patsy was following orders pretty directly.

Plus, he wasn't at the safe house and presumably hasn't been heard from since Sil got shot up.


EDIT - Bobby told Patsy where Phil would be:

Bobby: Phils at his goomars every Friday night

[rollinsband2002]

What threw me off about Paulie was why he parked his car right in front of the safe house. One would think they wouldn't want anyone to know they were there.

[TonysOriginalNJAccent]

My money is on Paulie as well. Too much evidence leaning in his direction. It wouldn't even be the first time he appealed to NY anyway, of course this time the situation is a taaad more serious.

[Lawdog]

More evidence re: Paulie from a second viewing last night (I listed several reasons why Paulie's behavior struck me as odd/a potential turn yesterday in the main show review thread):

When Paulie comes into the Bing to tell Silvio about the hit on Phil being a "success", he mentions the fact that the goomar was clipped, too. When Patsi calls Paulie the night before to relay the outcome of the hit, he only tells him "It's done", so Paulie has to have talked to someone else who knew about the goomar...someone in the NY crew? Because he had no real ties to the heroin underling or the Zips... If he had read the paper like Murmur, he'd know they missed on the Shah, too.

Also, Silvio says to Tony, when discussing his freelance hit on Burt Gervasi, that NY had spoken to several NJ crew members to gauge interest in "new management". Sil hasn't told Tony about any of that because of AJ's suicide attempt, ostensibly, but who knows who/how many they talked to. Based on past connections, Paulie and Carlo would have to be near the top of the list of potential converts.

In Paulie's defense, Tony was the only one who showed for his mother's wake, and Paulie's ire seemed to be directed at the rest of the crew more than Tony, who at least showed some loyalty to Paulie at that time. Chase and Co. have again done a good job of leaving a lot of teasers and potential out there. The good news is, we'll know once and for all who does what to whom in one hour next Sunday night...

[dad1153]

In Paulie's defense, Tony was the only one who showed for his mother's wake, and Paulie's ire seemed to be directed at the rest of the crew more than Tony, who at least showed some loyalty to Paulie at that time.

And why did Tony showed up at Paulie's mother's wake? Because Carmela forced him to. In hindsight this apparently insignificant moment in "Kennedy and Heidi" (which was dominated by the shadow of Christopher's death and Tony's muted reaction to it) could turn out to be the one act of kindness that saves T's life... maybe! :redface:

[dannyc7684]

I think we are reading into this way to much. The Jersey crew was unaware how far along Phil was in his plans to take them down. Phil went into hiding, thats why he was not at his goomars house when they went to whack him. Is there a possibility that Paulie or Patsie could be a traitor? Yes, anything at this point is a possible, but this I believe it to simple. David Chase is going to WOW us in this final episode, I would not be wowed by Paulie or Patsie being informants the the New York Family. Just my 2 cents.

[sillyslav]

My money is on Paulie as well. Too much evidence leaning in his direction. It wouldn't even be the first time he appealed to NY anyway, of course this time the situation is a taaad more serious.
I think you're right - he's so obvious you want to overlook him as total red herring, and yet that is just the kind of thing that would surprise us the most - the red herring is not so red after all. That would be funny, Chase playing around with all of the people who offer indepth analysis and predictions etc. - too sophisticated to actually consider Paulie! What a shocker it will be!!

Paulie was to weird in his relaxed attitude, making jokes about AJ's girl guest, parking in front as total advertisement etc.

[jedijake45]

I do think there is a traitor, that is just to easy for someone as creative as David Chase. Not to mention there is nothing from the last eposiode to support anyone being a traitor. You would think if there was a traitor it would have been impossible that it would not be mentioned during the NY meeting we saw during that last episode. Phil or someone would have to have stated something about "our guy or over" of something along those lines.

The three most common taitor suspects that eveyone seems to be banking on are Carlo, Patsie, and Paulie. When Paulie was brought up at the Ny sitdown reguarding the three sopranos gangsters that were to be killed was just written in there to clairify to us, the viewers, the structure of the family. Paulie is ust a Captain not part of the administartion of the Family, not to lead us to beleive that Paulie is worling with Phil. As far as Patsie goes he was clearly shot at and despite the theroies that this was staged come on does anyone really beleive that. Carlo as never NOT once shown any sort of disloyality to Tony besides Carlo betraying Tony would have no emotion impact on anyone since his character has always been a minor background character so from a creative viewpoint there would be nothing to be gain by Carlo being a traitor.

[jmag]

What threw me off about Paulie was why he parked his car right in front of the safe house. One would think they wouldn't want anyone to know they were there.

Odds are if NY is out looking for them THAT extensively parking a car in a garage or on the street isn't going to matter.

[anthony]

No traitor guys. It was already taken care of in this ep. The plot is set, there is 60 mins. left in this series, for good. No time left to close even the loosest of ends. It's gonna be a showdown between NY & NJ.

[Lawdog]

I do think there is a traitor, that is just to easy for someone as creative as David Chase. Not to mention there is nothing from the last eposiode to support anyone being a traitor. You would think if there was a traitor it would have been impossible that it would not be mentioned during the NY meeting we saw during that last episode. Phil or someone would have to have stated something about "our guy or over" of something along those lines.

The three most common taitor suspects that eveyone seems to be banking on are Carlo, Patsie, and Paulie. When Paulie was brought up at the Ny sitdown reguarding the three sopranos gangsters that were to be killed was just written in there to clairify to us, the viewers, the structure of the family. Paulie is ust a Captain not part of the administartion of the Family, not to lead us to beleive that Paulie is worling with Phil. As far as Patsie goes he was clearly shot at and despite the theroies that this was staged come on does anyone really beleive that. Carlo as never NOT once shown any sort of disloyality to Tony besides Carlo betraying Tony would have no emotion impact on anyone since his character has always been a minor background character so from a creative viewpoint there would be nothing to be gain by Carlo being a traitor.

Not trying to be an ass (I swear), but who else is left that (a) could be a traitor, and (b) could "wow" us? There are no major players left to turn after "The Blue Comet" but the three under discussion here... I guess you could say Little Carmine, but he's always been a weasel and is tangential at this point. If it's one of the new, seemingly fungible underlings, who cares? Janice? Carm? Meadow? AJ?

In keeping with the fathers-and-sons theme, I think you've got the three mentioned above, with Paulie out front, or possibly Junior, but I don't how much he's got left.

[Marlowe]

Are we sure that there is already a traitor? We know that Burt was "playing both sides" and that there are a lot of unhappy folks in the Soprano family, however, is there any evidence to suggest that someone else is already whispering in NY's ear?

Now I can see Tony's crew turning on him in the final episode in order to protect themselves, maybe even Paulie, but does that mean that they already have?

Having said that, Paulie was acting rather suspiciously throughout the episode. There was that weird shot of him pulling out of the parking lot as Patsy was talking to the zips. How are we supposed to read that look on his face? Also, in the last scene in the safe house after he tells T he is staying, one of the new young guys (don't know his name) puts his gun down on the table and Paulie does a quick turn to see what is going on. Almost jumpy. Of course, he has every right to be jumpy considering the situation but maybe he is a little paranoid about being caught. Time will tell.

[Dslash]

I think it is Paulie too. Here are my reasons:

1. Paulie was pretty defensive when he heard about the hit on Phil. He questioned if Tony knew about it.

2. The way he took off in his car in front of the Bing was way to suspicious. Like he was running off to tell someone the hit was on its way.

3. The brief look on his face when he followed Tony out of the house after locking up, it looked vengeful. It was brief but it was there.

4. Paulie was not included in the top 3 guys to get wacked and it was specifically stated that he does not get hit. Paulie is the #3 in my book. Not Bobby.

This one is a stretch but I thought of it without realizing that the train was called the Blue Comet.....

5. THE BLUE COMET is really named after Paulie's gray streak in his head. Old people with gray hair are called "blue hairs". The streak in Paulie's hair looks like a comet. The title of the episode is letting you know that the informant has come forward. I know everyone says it is the train, but what significance does that really have other than Bobby getting wacked?

There are a lot of loose ends to tie up with Junior, Terrorists and the rest of the family....It will be interesting to see how it all ends up.

[Dslash]

also, we saw Paulie's loyalty when Tony was in the hospital and how he wanted to hold on to that money they owed to Tony. Also, he might have found out somehow Tony wanted to wack him in Florida. He did tell Johnny Saks at one time to let him know if there was anything he could do for him to let him know. Some loyalty......

[bobC]

Here is my two cents on how it will conclude:

Paulie will play a prominent role in the finale. Phil will make him (Paulie) an offer he can't refuse. He will be told he will have control of the NJ family if and when he kills Tony. After much soul searching, he agrees to do the hit. Then, once the job is done, Phil will double cross Paulie and have him taken out. The Sopranos crew is extinguished.

Game, set, match........ NY wins! Everyone else.......... lives.

[canarsiekid5]

IF there's ACTUALLY a traitor,My money is on Carlo too. As someone said at the beginning, it was carlo's cousin that Sil gurroted, and Carlo did express admiration for phil. And he also could have been acting as if he was ordering a pizza at the end of blue comet, but could very well have been giving away the location to the NY guys. Plus the fact that he brings along that guy that has only been introduced in this season, Carlo's guy, and HE decides to bunk downstairs and be the main lookout? Carlo is def. more suspect that Paulie, at least in my opinion.

[artfromtex]

something that you could have missed if you blinked; when Paulie and Patsi are sitting at the bar in the Bing, just before Mr. Heroin walks in, Paulie says to Patsi, "he'll be o.k."

i think Paulie and Patsi have both betrayed Tony.

[tomcat1020]

Carlo?

Everyone seems to think there's a traitor with Tony and people seem to be looking at Paulie. But before we assume anyone is pumping info to NY, let's review the Carlo facts:

1) He was MIA from Tony's bedroom after Chris died. Enough so that it was the crux that scene.
2) His cousin got killed in "Blue Comet" for "playing both sides."
3) He expressed admiration for Phil's disgust toward Vito in 6A. Sure, he killed Fat Dom with Sil. But it was only after Dom busted their balls about Vito being gay.

On the surface, Paulie seems to be an obvious choice. But he's not. In fact, notwithstanding his discussions with Johnny Sac in Seasons 3/4, he's been nothing but loyal. He's a petty man, but I don't think the poor showing at his mother's wake could push him to being a traitor. Could it?

I'm riding with Carlo.

Sorry if this should be in the speculation section.


I am probably to late responding to this because by now we all know it was Burt Gervasi who was playing both sides.

But if there is a rat or collaborator in Tony Crew with the FBI- I would have to say it's Carlo--It was Carlo in 1 as well. Godfather 1 that is. And we all know The Sopranos likes to make those references. Remember too after Hesh house Tony said to Carlo that maybe he should start su*king C*&*% too because Vito made 3 times as much as him in construction and you could see Carlo was deeply offended.

[Marlowe]

In defense of Patsi:

He just followed orders. When he got word that the hit had happened he didn't seem shocked like "Wait! They got Phil?! That wasn't supposed to happen." And as previously mentioned he sure seemed like he was running for his life there.

Not sure if Paulie is already with NY but maybe these tell tale signs are pointing to him seriously considering that possibility.

[Shogon]

Also... the scene with the guys at NY discussing who to take out in NJ makes me believe there isn't, or at the time... wasn't, anyone playing both sides at all. Why? Because they aren't even sure who #3 is. If there were anybody feeding them information, they would have known that Bobby actually was #3 and there wouldn't have been any debate over it.

Not only that, but if it was Paulie, why would they bring his name up? Only possibility would be if a very select few know about Paulie playing NJ (that being Phil, Butchie and maybe that other guy).

However, that being said, I think if it's anyone, it's Carlo. When Tony was in the bed and everyone came to see him, like previously mentioned, they even went as far as to mention his absence when there was no need to, at all. Not only that, but he's the one that immediately wanted to order a pizza upon arrival. Perhaps this was prearranged that he would call a pizza joint and order a pizza and everything would look fine, but the guys at NY would have the location of their hideout due to the fact that obviously a pizza was being delivered. It just seems to me that if you're wanting to stay out of view, the last thing you would do would be to order a pizza and actually go as far as to bring someone (an outsider if you will) to your location. However, nobody objected... so maybe I'm just reaching.

Patsy... I don't think so. The NY guys were firing at him, and not to make a show of it. The creators even went as far as to show Patsy still running for his life after getting away. Why would he still be running like that if he knew nobody was after him? It's not Patsy.

EDIT:

I really don't think anbody is after Tony from his own family. Maybe in the next episode someone will turn, but not yet. Why? Because if anyone really wanted to flip to NY, there have been more than a few opportunities for them to do so. Paulie could have taken out Tony at any time in the kithcen after Carmela had left and AJ was outside. I'm pretty sure it's not him, if anyone at all. Probably every character from the Soprano family could have gotten to Tony and taken him out by now since the order has been given.

[Marlowe]

I really don't think anbody is after Tony from his own family. Maybe in the next episode someone will turn, but not yet. Why? Because if anyone really wanted to flip to NY, there have been more than a few opportunities for them to do so. Paulie could have taken out Tony at any time in the kithcen after Carmela had left and AJ was outside. I'm pretty sure it's not him, if anyone at all. Probably every character from the Soprano family could have gotten to Tony and taken him out by now since the order has been given.

Thats a very good point.

[songlife1]

I'm betting on Carlo. His phone call to order food (which was an odd thing to do immediately after arriving) was really to NY to disclose the safe house location. Chase couldn't show him giving the address because that would've made it too obvious to viewers; it's assumed that he gave the address though. The pizza guys who arrive will be hitmen, and take out several people (including Carlo) before they're killed. Tony and Paulie will survive, and the show will continue on from there.

It's just a wild guess. I just don't like that call Carlo made; way too suspicious, especially since they specifically showed Tony approving it.

[Ex-Soda drink]

There is just too many inconsistencies with Paulie's behavior and attitude for him to be a traitor. I don't buy it.

[Shogon]

Oh, one thing that is kind of interesting...

the guys from NY that do the hit on Silvio... the passenger says "there they are over there!" or "that's them over there!" while in the car and driving up on Patsy & Silvio.

Maybe I'm reading too much into it but doesn't it sound like the guys from NY knew "they" (Silvio & Patsy) would be together?

That's themover there.

Just makes me think a little.

[robdam1001]

would someone kindly post a picture of Carlo? I don't remember him at all. Thx.
EDIT

NVM, I found him. I didn't associate the name with the face.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y18/robdam/33516.jpg

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