So did Tony or his crew snitch......

[WebLink21]

or did the new parol guy find the tv's on his own. I know it was a setup by Tony to send Feech back to jail but I just couldnt figure out if Tony told them what Feech had or if the officer did it on his own. If Tony did it wouldnt that make him a rat just like Adriana? What do you guys think?

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[Rightfielder21]

Yeah, they tipped someone off, most likely anonymously... It was better than that alternative...

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[thegame1999]

I actually thought about this... technically, Tony can be called a rat for this; can he not?

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[spbrew]

I'm pretty sure that Sil said something about speaking to his "friend in the dapartment".

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[duck44]

Of course Tony set him up. He couldn`t whack him because he was too old school and he learned the hard way with the Ritchie Aprile situation. Great move. I mean Great!


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[shazahaha]

A rat is a person who gets favors (from the gov) for ratting. The on-the-take cop from this episode is on the Mob's payroll. It's pretty much a rat in reverse.

Still, I see what you mean. It's like the political horseshoe. The Communist party on the Left and the Nazis on the Far Right share a lot of qualities even though they are fundamentally different.

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[Salvatore]

A rat is anybody who snitches...and even though by Tony telling, it didn't benefit him...he is still a rat....he should have killed Feech...its better than being a snitch

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[aftermath]

Nobodys operations got raided and Feech didn't go down for a Mob Tie. It was a simple heist outside of the Family business that got him put back in jail. Now if Tony had set him up with something that was within Feeches operation or had a tie with the family and their business then yes he would be a snitch. Nothing in the arrest can be linked back to the family so I do not believe he is a snitch.

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[Wes]

And as far as we know nobody tipped anyone off. They could have just kept in mind that Feech's parole officer is going to be making frequent stops anyways and it was inevitable that he find the televisions. It could have just been the perfect setup without any snitching or informing.

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[Luban]

They led us to believe that the visit of the parole officer was out of the ordinary: it wasn't the usual guy, who had just paid Feech a visit the previous week. Seems more likely there was some anonymous tip to the parole board and they dispatched someone right away to check it out.



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[TWO GUNS GIANCARLO]

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>A rat is anybody who snitches...and even though by Tony telling, it didn't benefit him...he is still a rat....he should have killed Feech...its better than being a snitch <hr></blockquote>

I agree totally Salvatore. I'm still trying to reconcile the fact that throughout the series those who have snitched have been killed, now we see that if there is a benefit snitching is OK. It just does not sit well with me.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/devil.gif ALT=":evil">

</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub132.ezboard.com/bsopranolandforum.showUserPublicProfile?gid=twogun sgiancarlo>TWO GUNS GIANCARLO</A> http://www.sopranoland.com/episodes/ep02/thumbnails/02-paulie1.jpg at: 3/30/04 6:08 pm

[Nick]

I agree with salvatore and Two guns.
I'm in total shock. I cant beleive they ratted on feech. I dont even like feech but I actually felt bad for him. I would have felt better if he was wacked. I still cant beleive they F***ING Snitched. I dont care how many exuses you try to think up.<span style="text-decoration:underline">A RAT IS A RAT PERIOD!</span> Frankly Im Ashamed of that episode and the fact that they would let this happen on the sopranos.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/devil.gif ALT=":evil">

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[Vesuvio]

I went back and forth on this one for awhile. Some good points were made about why Tony is a rat. But, ultimately, I think he's not. Here's why:

There are certain rights and privileges that come with being made. Such as, one made guy can't physically assault or kill another made guy (without a sanction), and made guys can't rat on one another.

But then there are exceptions, which is why it is ok for one made guy to kill another one, under certain circumstances.

In this situation, Tony jumped the gun, as usual. The main reason he arranged for Feech to go back to jail was because his (Tony's) ego was hurt by the fact that Feech was not showing him enough respect.

But enough of an argument can be made as to a more "legitimate reason": Feech held back on kicking up to Tony twice. Just like Lorraine did with Johnny Sack. As a first warning, Tony verbally counseled Feech, and Johnny's goon (Phil) roughed up Lorraine. The second time around, Phil whacked Lorraine, and Tony (who, arguably, could have whacked Feech) elected to send him to jail instead.

Being that Tony, Sil, etc., were all in on the setup, it seems that it would be ok in terms of mob etiquette. If it was against the rules, Tony would not have let Sil know about it (as was the case with Ralph).

That's why I think Tony is not a rat. But I could be wrong...





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[FlyOnMelfisWall]

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I still cant beleive they F------ Snitched. I dont care how many exuses you try to think up.A RAT IS A RAT PERIOD! <hr></blockquote>

One of the mob journalists that's critiquing season 5 for slate.com shares this opinion and felt that the show was unrealistic for that reason. He felt T should have (and would have in the real world) killed Feech.

But I have to ask him and everyone else: am I the only one who sees Tony's decision to send him back to prison in lieu of killing him part of an emerging pattern of change in Tony since Melfi read him the very painful laundry list of his character defects?

I think I'm gonna have to do a main thread on this issue of change soon, because I really do believe that the question of whether Tony can change -- and whether he should, given the dangers and realities of how he makes his living -- is going to be the dominant theme of this series from here on out. The question has always percolated throughout the series. But it's become increasingly dominant since season 4's highly underrated Calling All Cars.

<span style="color:navy;">At Luban's request, this post and related replies were moved to create a new thread concerning the psychological implications of Tony's actions (and his psychological status generally) in the Season 5 General Discussion forum located here:</span>

pub132.ezboard.com/fsopra...D=40.topic (http://pub132.ezboard.com/fsopranolandforumfrm21.showMessage?topicID=40.topi c)

<span style="color:navy;">Replies on this tangent should be posted there.</span>

</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub132.ezboard.com/bsopranolandforum.showUserPublicProfile?gid=flyonm elfiswall>FlyOnMelfisWall</A> at: 3/31/04 4:59 pm