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WindyCityImports
March 22nd, 2004, 12:59 AM
Is a goner! How many more signs do you need??? First him walking on a bridge all alone...next hiding next to a "recycling" dumpster...then with Tony bringing him FISH...last with him commenting on how the prairie dog sleeps during the day...
My guess, he's gone in the next episode or two.
-Johnny
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FlyOnMelfisWall
March 22nd, 2004, 02:24 AM
It really does seem that Junior's days are numbered. But things rarely go exactly as expected with the Sopranos. Here we thought he was having dementia or Alzheimer's onset, but then we hear the diagnosis is TIA and that it can be reasonably controlled with medication.
The thing I can't forget, however, is that he had a very serious form of cancer, one that was not successfully treated with surgery and which, as we learned from the frank, closed door session of the tumor board, does not respond well to chemotherapy. His remission or "cure", as is often the case with serious cancers, is likely only temporary, with a recurrence or metastasis on the near horizon.
So he could go in any number of ways, and sooner does seem more likely than later, based on the foreshadowing. Even Tony getting the tacit affirmation of his love seemed like a farewell present from Junior. Time will tell.
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bushleaguer1
March 22nd, 2004, 03:57 PM
With Uncle Junior losing it mentally, its possible that he may start blurting out things he shouldn't around the wrong people. That could spell trouble for him.
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lbwalnj
March 22nd, 2004, 05:22 PM
The scenes of Jr. last night were great. The outdoor scenes of him wandering were all done in Newark. The scene on the bench by the empty lot, was done near the Irvington line, the 'bottle' a water tank from the abandoned Pabst Beer plant, which operated until the early 1980's. There is a Clay St. Bridge, which is off of Broad Street/Rt 21, and crossed the Passaic River into East Newark. The scenes of him at the mob meeting, showing problems talking normaly, at the dinner, the episode closer and throughout the show were the best work ever done of his character. I think we are seeing a process of a permenate transfer of the power of the family to Tony S. soon, as Jr. loses his ability to think, his otherwise declining health (recall the cancer). The others around them will also start to look at Tony for leadership and not Jr.. This may be a major arc in this season, probably Tony reaching the top of his powers by later this season, then setting up for the fall from power either at the end of this season or into next season.
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Zillajay23
March 22nd, 2004, 10:28 PM
I hate to see Junior like this it is not looking to good for him I agree but like it has been mentioned things don't always go as expected. However I do not see much hope in Juniors future even if he starts to get better he just isn't the same and with all the New York stuff hitting the fan Junior doesn't seem like he will be able to handle it. I don't know what Juniors end will be but I do think his days are numbered one way or another. Although Uncle Jun isn't always my favorite character he is priceless and it just would be wierd without him, I guess only time will tell, it has been quite a journey since season one and hopefully he has a few more scenes left in him.
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Go Sox
March 22nd, 2004, 11:19 PM
I can't imagine The Sopranos without Junior. His quick wit and rude remarks are one of the things that I look forward to on Sunday nights. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/nerd.gif ALT="8o">
Oh, and there's nothing quite as good as a $3 pitcher of Pabst Blue Ribbon.
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West Re animator
March 23rd, 2004, 12:05 AM
"He never had the markings of a varsity athlete." Anyone catch this was the quote Tony mentioned to Melfi in the pilot that Junior quiped, hurting his feelings. I thought that was cool how they brought that back 54 episodes later (sorta like Curto mentioning his son with MS). This show would have the best continuity ever if it weren't for the damn casting changes.
Anyways I think Junior's days are numbered. I think that just as the Sack - LC was beings to heat up, Junior will die or commit suicide, probably by Episode 6 or 7 at the latest I'd say, creating yet another power vacuum, this time in Tony's area of the world, and possibly Feech might try to slip in or something above Tony, I think that could definitely happen. Either way I see the stuff hitting the fan in a major way and Tony stuck in the crossfire of nearly everyone else... could be the best season ever.
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Soda drink
March 23rd, 2004, 02:04 AM
Uncle Junior is a classic character.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/pimp.gif ALT=":hat">
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uffalogal
March 23rd, 2004, 02:58 PM
I had to look up the symptoms for this (transient ischemic attack), and it doesn't sound like what Uncle Jun has at all:
- weakness on one side of the body or an inability to move on one side
- numbness
- loss of or changes to vision
- difficulty speaking, finding, or understanding words
- vertigo
- drop attack (a sudden loss of strength in legs)
I haven't seen any of this with him. In fact, his behavior has been exactly like my mother's, who has Alzheimer's.
I'm a little confused about this.
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widgetwacker
March 23rd, 2004, 04:40 PM
In response to this, even Chase put it as this season was the season to really show Tony as THE leader.
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FlyOnMelfisWall
March 23rd, 2004, 05:50 PM
uffalogal, I thought the same thing, especially since I'd just read a cover story in Newsweek on strokes and related maladies, including mini-strokes.
To be clear, the terms used in the show by the doctor were "infarct" and "mini strokes". I used the term TIA, because it is my lay understanding that "TIA" is the term used to describe a pattern of multiple, transient, small strokes in the brain, which the doctor talked about. There certainly is a lot of literature where the terms are used interchangeably.
I suppose there could be some distinction between mini-strokes and TIA based on the degree of true "transiegency", however, and perhaps based on the degree of permanent brain damage afterward. So don't hold Chase and company responsible for the "TIA" bit in that event since that was my extrapolation.
The symtoms for TIA/mini strokes, which you listed, are largely the same as for full-blown strokes, except the symptoms disappear relatively quickly because the deprivation of blood flow is only temporary. However some people can have them with no real symptoms at all, completely unaware that their brains have just had little infarcts.
I know someone who has been diagnosed with TIA, and during the acute phase of her attacks, she doesn't experience any of the numbness, weakness, or asymetric body changes that are among the most common symptoms. What she does experience is an aboslute confusion about where she is or why she's there; she often engages in involuntary motor movements (her hand drawing circles, for instance); she has severe short term memory loss and, after the attack subsides, cannot recall what happened during it; and she talks nonsensically with a bit of speech slurring.
So what I've learned from this personal experience leads me to think the symptoms in individual cases can be quite diverse and more inclusive than the bullet point symptoms that mark the condition in the majority of sufferers.
The best answer, perhaps, is what I just found in a Google search on the condition, namely that there is a form of dementia CAUSED by TIAs:
"After Alzheimer's disease, the nation's second leading cause of progressive mental deterioration is multi-infarct dementia. "Infarct" means tissue death, in this case, tissue in the brain. Brain tissues dies because the affected individual suffers a series of mini-strokes known as "transient ischemic attacks" (TIAs). Basically, multi-infarct dementia results from cumulative cerebral damage caused by little strokes that may go unnoticed."
The full article is here:
www.zarcrom.com/users/alz.../mid3.html (http://www.zarcrom.com/users/alzheimers/odem/mid3.html)
This is very consistent with the doctor having remarked that Junior's brain exhibited some pretty substantial damage from a prior ministroke or series of strokes, something I presume they would have diagnosed from an MRI. He also asked if Tony had noticed a gradual deterioration of Junior's condition mentally over the last 6-12 months, which suggests to me the doctor was talking about an accumulation of permanent brain damage manifesting quite separate and apart from symptoms which present during a TIA or mini stroke itself. However, the doctor never used the terms dementia or MID (multi infarct dementia) specifically.
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uffalogal
March 23rd, 2004, 10:48 PM
Thanks for the clarification. I only watched the ep once and wasn't sure if the doc had even used that term.
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Nick
March 24th, 2004, 05:52 AM
Its gonna be be hard to imagine the show without Junior. He is one of the funniest characters in it. His sarcasm and quik wit were classic. The on again off again relationship with Junior and Tony is also very entertaining. Tony also looks to junior for his point of view on certain subjects. I think that Tony sort of realizes that uncle Jun (as much of a pain in the ass he can be) really does love him and considers Tony as his own son since he never had one of his own. Thats why he always breaks Tony's balls. Tony will definatly miss having Junior around once he has gone. His immediate family is quikly dissipating over the last 4 episodes, (Carmella & the kids and now Junior) who does he have left? Janice? give me a break!
Anyway like i said I really think Junior was one of the best characters. He and Tony had a very funny relationship made me laugh alot. I'm really going to miss "Uncle Jun"<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/devil.gif ALT=":evil">
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aalleyne
March 25th, 2004, 02:42 PM
Dear God (or, I suppose I should say, Dear David Chase), PLEASE don't let Junior die or go totally senile. One of the reasons I loved the way the 4th season ended was because of its cliffhanger quality. It left so many burning issues to be resolved later in the season. One of them is Uncle Junior's future in the family. After his mistrial, what's next?
I just hope he won't go out like a punk. He's been such an interesting, entertaining and pivotal character so far--not to mention funny as hell and a killer with one-liners. I really have wanted to see him get out from under his house arrest recently. (I mean, it's been, what, 3 seasons now, that he's been stuck in that crappy old house in Belleville? It's time to switch up Junior's flow now!) But such an exit by means of death or senility is most manifestly NOT what I had in mind.
One of the most intriguing--yet overlooked!--aspects of the plot of the show is that he still is, technically, the titular boss of the family; even to this day, Tony is still technically only the "Street" boss. Tony let Junior "keep his stripes" in Season 2, Episode 2, and nothing said since by either character suggests that that arrangement has fundamentally changed. One of the pivotal themes of the next season or two HAS to be how that arrangement will change--and with what consequences.
Given that, I'd HATE for such an intriguing plot development with so much potential to be pissed away in such a copout manner. For Junior to go out cheaply would not do justice to his character and would waste great plot potential. I sure as hell hope he makes a comeback.
Uncle Jun'--do not go gently into that good night! Rage, rage against the dying of the light!
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Wissy1998
April 13th, 2004, 04:03 PM
Ill cry if and when Junior dies. He is such a favorite. He always makes me smile with his funny remarks on this and that.......I always wanted to see him and Livia get together because they had so much in common with their griping....... I always thought they were so cute together.
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