No Meadow!

[duck44]

Finally an episode without Meadow with her annoying attitude. Hopefully this will be a sign of things to come in the future. Less Meadow = more mob family stories.

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[Mr Pittsburgh]

Personally, the more Meadow, the happier I am! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)">

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[Soda drink]

sure shes pretty--but boy when she opens her mouth, its a different story. I dont mind not having a meadow in a few of these episodes.

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[harmony2k66]

Get ready because rumor has it there will be more Meadow this season than any since Three. Same for Anthony Jr.

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[zerokarma]

Also no Melfi or Carmela!

It was great that way, please I can only hope that there is less of them this year.

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[TWO GUNS GIANCARLO]

Hopefully we won't get Meadow overload as in season 3. I always hoped that Meadow would have attended college far from home and eliminate the need for her character to be an integral part of the show.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/devil.gif ALT=":evil">

</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub132.ezboard.com/bsopranolandforum.showUserPublicProfile?gid=twogun sgiancarlo>TWO GUNS GIANCARLO</A> http://www.sopranoland.com/episodes/ep02/thumbnails/02-paulie1.jpg at: 3/25/04 3:23 pm

[aalleyne]

Now what the hell do people have against Meadow? Not only is she fine, but with her obvious intelligence (she goes to an Ivy League school, for Christ's sake), she's a useful and much-needed counterweight to her idiotic and obnoxious younger brother. Now THERE'S a character the show could do with a lot less of. He's the one character on the show with absolutely NO redeeming qualities. Not only is he stupid, ignorant and obnoxious, but he's also disrespectful to his elders, and particularly his mother, especially since the divorce.

And what's this about you folks don't want Meadow to be an integral character on the show? What sense could that possibly make? She's Tony Soprano's daughter, and the only one of his two kids who has shown much potential to do great things in life (although Season 3, admittedly, did suggest that AJ might have some considerable football potential). And why is everyone so leery of the show covering Tony's personal life? From the very beginning, that's been meant to be fully half of the show's plot; the main theme of the series has always been Tony Soprano and how he deals with the stresses of managing two families. TWO families, ladies and gentlemen, NOT ONE. NOT just the mob family. While even I must admit to a certain slight preference for the mob family coverage over his personal family life, I think it ridiculous to want to cut the latter out of it entirely.

Besides--even if you did want to cut out one character from the coverage of Tony's family life, why Meadow? Why not AJ? The kid's got the brains of a chimpanzee!

(PS: No offense to any chimpanzees who may be listening . . . <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)">



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[TWO GUNS GIANCARLO]

It seems that every time a female character on the Sopranos is seen as less than desirable in terms of character development and storyline the first defense is always to resort to the physical appeal the actress may possess to the viewer. It has been argued that Meadow is smart and is a counterweight to A.J. which is debatable. Meadow for all her intelligence has continued to show that she is incapable of not having Carmela and Tony as a crutch whenever the decisions she makes are of the less intelligent variety.

A.J. is another character who is no longer integral to the show and I think the only family relationships that add to and further the character developments are the relationships which Tony has with Janice, Carmela, and Uncle Junior.
Maybe I'am speaking prematurely after only three episodes of the new season but only time will tell.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/devil.gif ALT=":evil">

</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub132.ezboard.com/bsopranolandforum.showUserPublicProfile?gid=twogun sgiancarlo>TWO GUNS GIANCARLO</A> http://www.sopranoland.com/episodes/ep02/thumbnails/02-paulie1.jpg at: 3/26/04 5:06 pm

[bacala]

AJ I belive is just an integral part to the show as Meadow. Meadow is that constant reminder to Carmela of what she could of been. AJ is that constant reminder to Tony of who he was and is. If look closely, Tony get most mad at AJ when he does things that Tony did (or in some cases still does). Tony hates himself and what he has become and wants to make sure AJ does not end up the same way. But often Tony can't control it; AJ is who he is and it upsets Tony that he can't stop it. And the comment about AJ being disrespectful to his elders and especially his mom after the divorce.....Honestly that is what almost every teenage boy does in AJ's situation.

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[Soda drink]

HEY! The woman who plays Janice is an awesome actress (not that pretty but who cares), I giver her all the kudos in the world for playing Janice so perfectly.....BUT SHE CAN GET THE HELL OUT OF THE SOPRANOS FOR ALL I CARE! LOL. Thats how much I hate her character.

Dido for Meadow (and she's BEAUTIFUL!!!) Point is, I dont think anyone REALLY cares how these women look - if there character is of extreme annoyance to them - we don;t care for them.

I personally find Meadow and Janice to annoying most of the time for me to care for them...<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/devil.gif ALT=":evil">


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[aalleyne]

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>AJ is that constant reminder to Tony of who he was and is.<hr></blockquote>

I think that while there is a similarity between the two, and while Tony himself did once comment that AJ often did things that reminded him of his own shortcomings, it's overstating the case a bit to say that AJ is who Tony was and is. I personally feel that, while Tony has little more book learning under his belt than AJ does at this point in his educational career, Tony is INFINITELY more streetwise and innately clever than AJ ever could be. Tony's strategic skill in running the crime family is the kind that AJ has never, never exhibited. The "Wernick Files" on the HBO website in the first season described Tony, out of all the possible heirs to the position of boss after Jackie Aprile's death, as "the smartest duck in the pond". In the same season, Larry Boy Barese told Tony, "You've always been a f--kin' genius". Tony has also always been resourceful; remember the Season 1 episode "Down Neck", in which a young Tony Soprano cleverly stowed away in the trunk of his father's car to find out where Johnny kept taking Janice all the time? But AJ? It's not even really his propensity for mischief that causes me to call him stupid; I personally know many a brilliant child who was known for wreaking similar havoc. It's just a lack of basic common sense and intelligence that Tony has never displayed. At the end of Season 3, when the school principal bluffed AJ with phony "DNA samples" of his urine, AJ's response was, "He [the friend he cheated with] peed first! I only needed to pee after he went!" As Tony put it, "Even I managed to get through school without getting expelled!"

As Tony himself commented to Dr. Melfi, "AJ? In my business? No way. He'd never make it." As well, one should consider that Tony once compared MEADOW to himself as well. In the Season 2 episode "From Where to Eternity", Tony, slightly drunk, tells Meadow, "I tell people you're like your mother . . . but really, you're all me. Nothing gets by you."

If it's a mirror image of Tony you're looking for in his kids, I suppose I can understand not wanting to get rid of AJ, but then Meadow is certainly no worse a candidate. If anything, the two kids simply mirror different sides of their father's personality.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>And the comment about AJ being disrespectful to his elders and especially his mom after the divorce.....Honestly that is what almost every teenage boy does in AJ's situation. <hr></blockquote>

As for that, while that is certainly true, remember that AJ has ALWAYS been an impudent little pr-ck. Not just after the divorce. Forgive the wording of my comment if it left the impression that that's what I was saying.


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[badabing187]

Tony has said this kind of thing before and it's just a product of how society is. Parents only want their own kids to live a better life then they did as a child. Because Tony wanted his family to have a better life then he did, he chose a life of crime to give his wife and kids whatever they wanted. They have no responsibility and no idea how to take care of themselves afterwards. We're seeing how Carmella and Meadow are dealing with it now and Meadow seems to be more in control, to which Carmella was obviously jealous of Meadow and Finn. AJ is probably dumber then Jackie Jr, but the difference is that I hear Jackie's parents let him get away with anything and we can see that Tony and Carmella do NOT want that same thing happening to AJ so they really try to put their foot down on him.

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