Sibling Assault.....

[joannmel]

Holy wow.....

I guess Tony wasn't about to put up with Janice and her new
found expert status......professor....family 101.



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[Salvatore]

Janice said,"theres alot of things i could say right now that im not gunna say"...didn't Tony say that in a previous episode..

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[tonysoprano555]

she said it in season 2 whenever meadow trashed the house, and she was against punishing meadow, until she found out the house..where she was going to move...was completely trashed. they had an arugement and she said it then.

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[Jager]

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[harmony2k66]

I didn't really see it as Janice trying to pull one over on him, it was actual concern. This season so far, as it relaes to Janice has been about stipping down the layers, and giving Aida something new to work with. I personally found Tony completly in the wrong. Whining over an insult, and bitching like a little kid about an old man who continually repeats something. Janice was only asking for Tony's help in reaching out to junior to get him in the hospital, and Tony jumped to conclusions. He was such a man he choked his sister? Frankly it was disgusting, and reminded me of how despicable the character is. Something I hadn't seen in such depiction since "Amur Fou" and his handling of Gloria Trillo in a certain scene. I know a lot of people don't like Janice, but I don't think that her character is that black and white, that she is always evil, and always scheming. My opinion at least.


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[harmony2k66]

Now we of course have sons becoming there fathers, but mothers and daughters now as well. I could see why Janice said what she did about seeing how Livia felt. The way those two kids treat her (The bacalaas) is terrible. It would be understandable if they understood that she had tricked there father into moving on after Karen's death, but Janice continues to actually play the role of a mob wife. She cooks, cleans, and picks the kids up at school. I think her character has matured quite a bit. If it were simply a scam, I doubt Janice would still be performing chores around the Baccala house. She does put up with two spoiled children, and even if the meals are awful and require Janice to sneak off to Vesuvios, I still think she is making more progress as a housewife, than say Carmella. Carmella is probably going to end up being a very strong character, and more than able to stand on her own two feet, but she would turn her head, even though "she knew the whole way how it went". Janice made no excuses, she understands the rules of this thing of ours, and continues to push her "lazy" husband into action. Bobby, since Season Two, has had a reputation as being lazy, and I think for better or worse Janice did get Bobby through a very rough time. This plotline could have easily have gone Richie and Janice, and been an oddball mixture of Lynchian sex. Yet, it brings something completly fresh, which in my opinion, completly justifies all the time spent with Janice and Bobby last season.



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[harmony2k66]

I'm not a big fan of The Lord Of The Rings series, I enjoyed them, but everytime I see the Baccalla clan, I think of hobbits, including Janice.

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[shazahaha]

She tried to use Bobby and exploit his situation to wiggle her way into a seemingly secure relationship. Now that she's in it, Janice kvetches non-stop. I highly doubt that she does much cleaning around the house, and she certainly doesn't cook (remember her a) "cooking" from season 4 (stealing other people's dishes to heat up for Bobby), b) "cooking" for the Sunday dinner in this episode (buying food from Vesuvio), and c) when she actually does try to cook, she burns her meal (Season Five, Episode 1)). I bet she makes the kids do all the chores around the house.

Remember her goddamn psuedo-intellectual-ism from the other seasons? Or how about when she's tapping the basement walls of her mother's house, looking for money?

She was a low-life mooch then, and she's a low-life mooch now. That's not to say she isn't one of the best characters on the show...She's just utterly dispicable. I doubt she's reformed over the last two years.

EDIT: There was something else that I wanted to touch upon. And I don't feel like making a new post. Does anybody else notice the parallels between Janice-Richie and Janice-Bobby? In both relationships she was constantly pushing her mate to take a bigger piece of the proverbial pie. With Richie she cultivated resentment towards Tony within him, and, when having sex, would say "You're the boss...It should be you, it should be you." Similarly, with Bobby, Janice makes him confront Tony and forces Bobby to push for a better job.

I guess a few ideas could be drawn from her behavior. First off, she's just trying to use others for material gain. Nothing new there, I suppose. Second--with the Livia-Janice tie--she's trying to outstep her boundaries as a woman in her chauvanistic world and become a gangster. I say this is tied to Livia because of Junior's remarks in Season 1 that Livia could have been a great mobster. So, I see that Janice could also be a gangster; well, at least, she wants to be like one.

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[harmony2k66]

What I'm saying is she is at least cooking at all. Granted her actions at the end might not be too redeemable, how she tricked Bobbys kids into freaking out, entitling Bobby to move on, but she did get Bobby through it. Her actions might be reprehensible, but consdering everyone else on this show, she's probably one of the more likeablke ones. You think that if Bobby does get more responsibilty he won't be just as bad as the rest? His little threatning of a Union Leader last season, in my book, puts him in the same ship as the rest. Janice, while she may have stolen a one legged woman's prosthetic, and murdered her husband (who did Punch her), and that's not to say I justify her actions, but everyne finds Janice so reprehensible yet doesn't say anything about the other characters. (Not everyone, but a lot of people who seem to hate Janice). Look at Tony, he is despicable. David Chase has said the show has been about Tony Soprano suffering, and that he deserves it, and he will continue to let him suffer. No one on this show, hell even the priest is corrupt, is right. The only one who is starting to look a little redeemable, in my opinion, are Carmella and Janice. Granted Janice might not be the best cook, but she is continuing with the Sunday Dinner Tradition. That house doesn't look too messy to me either, and I doubt "lazy" Bobby is doing too much cleaning. I just find Janice to be a lot more likeable than a lot of the characters on this show. I think a lot of people hate her just because she looks just like what Tony Soprano's sister would look like. If she were played by say the same actress who PLAYED Barb, I bet you ten to one we wouldn't be reading, "Whose Pulling For Janice To Die" Threads. I don't mean to attack anyone, but I don't understand all the hatred for Janice.

-She schemes. Who Doesn't on this show? Everyone loves Walnuts, but take his handling last week of the gardener. He takes five hundred of it for himself, plus makes him do more work for free. Tony schemes every single week, lies about every single little thing. it's gone beyond just lying to himself, he now lies to everyone else. Look at last season and his BS with his uncle, about that lot of Freeland Hiason Avenue.

This show spends a large part, as far as innocent bystanders are concerned, reminding us how much better off they would be had they not gotten involved with these "friends of Ours".

Now, maybe Ade might be a little more redeemable, as she is finally starting to stop turning her head. But then again, she did put someone away for simply flirting with her awful finace.



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[aalleyne]

RE whether Tony said "there are a lot of things I could say that I'm not gonna say" in an earlier season:

Season 3, Episode 2, "Proshai, Livushka":

Tony: "Who gives a sh-t what people think if we don't give Ma a funeral service? The woman expressed her wishes!"

Janice: "I wish to honor my mother!"

Tony: "There are a lot of things I could say right now that I'm not gonna say!"

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