The Fight between Tony and his bodyguard

[mike227]

I dont think that was Tony showing any inability to be the boss, it was simply him showing his men that he isnt getting soft, after what happend with Johnny and phil making fun of him. Hence the reason he asked bobby how big he was and then once inside looked back and forth between the 2 guys finally choosing the toughest to go at.

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[capobrendan]

For some reason, I think that the big bald guy is the bouncer at the Bing, replacing Georgie who quit when Tony kicked the shit outta him (yet again lol).

As for the notion that Tony can't "stomach" being boss, his physical sickness is because he had major surgery, not nerves.

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[EdaMaria]

I agree that Tony beat up the bodyguard to show his men he isn't going soft -- though I disagree that this was the only reason, in fact I see it as a secondary motive.
I got a strong sense from the episode that Tony himself is extremely worried about 'going soft' or already being too soft (the muscle has turned to fat, etc.)

I think this is a main reason why he doesn't want to talk about the shooting with Melfi, he's not ready/able to deal with these feelings and what they might portend. of course, that's the question - what DO they portend? will Tony continue to give into his baser instincts? (his mother never taught him to 'count to 10')

also, did anyone notice the 'pepper' references? Tony says the bodyguard has 'red pepper flakes' up his azz (when joking that he's a hothead) and one of Sac's relatives at the wedding yells out for Tony (or Johnny?) not to 'eat the pepper'

peppers always remind me of Uncle Junior (he should have 'had the peppers') which brings me to ... Tony tonight seemed to be in the Uncle Junior role (the early days) as far as how the 'family' was treating him

and speaking of Junior. does anyone else have feeling he might commit suicide?


Edited to take out 'wedding ring' reference



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[capobrendan]

Tony didn't grab his wedding ring if memory serves me right. He was grabbing his pinky ring on his right hand, wedding rings are on the left hand. He was twisting it around (probably not to damage the expensive ring!).

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[YoLaJimbo]

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Just like Feech Lamana in prison, Tony picked out the biggest baddest guy in the room<hr></blockquote>

He also knew his driver had problems controlling his anger and would be the likeliest to strike back with the least provocation.

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[EdaMaria]

CapoBrendan,

yeah i just rewound and you are right about the wedding ring -- he is twisting a pinky ring. so nevermind about that little theory!

thanks.


p.s. jesus dies at 3pm - and, for what it's worth, he's crucified, i believe, at 9am

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[billymac]

Just noticed on second viewing that when Tony gets in the card game the hand he is holding is three sixes (666). Eerie!

I don't think we actually see the cards, but when he lays them down he declares his hand as being "three sixes".

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[Soda drink]

That's awesome! He was definitely siding with the devil in him in this episode. lol.

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[FlyOnMelfisWall]

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Just noticed on second viewing that when Tony gets in the card game the hand he is holding is three sixes (666). Eerie!<hr></blockquote>

Whoah! Missed that billymac. Thanks for the catch. Will look for that on next viewing.

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[Filed38]

People just assume that the guy could have taken Tony due to his build and the age difference. Stop for a second to consider that the older guy in this fight has seen alot of sh*t and been in more than a few fights. Tony was like an instinctive animal and that kid while bigger was not prepared for the old lion's tricks. Apperance means alot and that is why Tony chose to fight the guy, but strength doesn't always win a street fight trust me.....<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/pimp.gif ALT=":hat">

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[jtod]

I think that the vomiting was both a biological and psychological response. No doubt that the psychological stress of the fight interacted with his weakened physiological state and caused him to vomit. However, I do not this Tony is changed man. I think we are seeing just the opposite. IMO, Tony was less of "changed man" in this episode than any of the others this season. Tony, IMO, is and always has been a "conflicted man," struggling to live between two worlds. As has been discussed in other threads, change for Tony is a complex and long-term process. Tony is no where near his Finnerty-self. If Tony was really a changed man he would not have given in to the thought of having to beat up innocent man to prove his strength and worth as a leader. Tony resorted to old attitudes and behaviors in this episode and, IMO, moved away from his potential transformed self and back to what he is knows best - NJ mob boss.

Now, that does not mean change is not in the cards for Tony. "Two steps forward and one step back" keeps Tony on a positive trajectory towards making real change in his life. So, it is possible that we saw one step back for Tony in this episode. Next week should interesting...

Jtod

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[Detective Hunt]

Moved from Another Thread:

Posted by 2drama
Posted: 4/11/06 11:05 am
Re: Will Perry Annunziata still be tony driver/bodyguard

based on beating T gave him. will T let him be a part of the family as his driver /bodyguard

what do u think people

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[Garth]

I kind of figure the bodyguard is gone. He served his purpose in showing Tony's crew that Tony still has what it takes. I know I certainly wouldn't want a bodyguard who might be seething with hatred for me...

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[billymac]

Yeah, now maybe Tony will go out and hire the actual winner of the Mr. Teenage Bloomfield contest as his new bodyguard! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":b">

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[haironmelfistwat]

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I kind of figure the bodyguard is gone. He served his purpose in showing Tony's crew that Tony still has what it takes. I know I certainly wouldn't want a bodyguard who might be seething with hatred for me...<hr></blockquote>

That's just the kind of guy (he described himself as having a hair trigger) to come back and pop a cap in Tony's ass. I'd keep an eye on him...

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[Jason the Magnificent]

The guy was obviously from the "neighborhood" and knew better than to backtalk Tony. Tony backed him into a corner and he reacted. Hes not going to whack Tony.

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[Detective Hunt]

MOVED FROM ANOTHER THREAD

Posted by half Cusumano
Posted: 4/14/06 12:44 pm
Re: "Philadelphia lawyer?"

Anyone catch this before he punched out the body guard? What does it mean?

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Posted by Hrurusch
Posted: 4/14/06 12:53 pm
Re: "Philadelphia lawyer?"

somebody who can talk himself out of anything i think.

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Posted by billymac72261
Posted: 4/14/06 1:01 pm
Re: "Philadelphia lawyer?"

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>somebody who can talk himself out of anything i think<hr></blockquote>

That's a pretty good summary explanation of the meaning of the quote.

Years ago Philadelphia lawyers were regarded as the most creative and ingenious attorneys, capable of crafting arguments that today would be described as "thinking outside the box". Whenever anyone had legal troubles (especially criminal troubles) the best advice was to get yourself a good "Philadelphia Lawyer".

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Posted by half Cusumano
Posted: 4/14/06 1:07 pm
Re: "Philadelphia lawyer?"

Thanks, Imus didn't know what it meant either.

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[billymac]

To furhter identify what Tony meant by calling the bodyguard a "Philadelphia Lawyer", I found the following explanation on the internet:

Philadelphia Lawyer:

* * * * “A colloquial term that was initially a compliment to the legal expertise and competence of an attorney due to the outstanding reputation of the Philadelphia bar during colonial times. More recently the term has become a disparaging label for an attorney who is skillful in the manipulation of the technicalities and intricacies of the law to the advantage of his or her client, although the spirit of the law might be violated. For example, an attorney who uses repeated motions for postponement of an action or excessive discovery requests as dilatory tactics primarily for the advantages that inure to his or her client, as opposed to legitimate grounds for such actions, might be regarded as a Philadelphia lawyer.”

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[EndofAlice]

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Has anybody gotten the "Tony Cheating on Carm" pool going? I'm thinking he'll go back to it the episode after this sunday's... Anyone else have any guess?<hr></blockquote>

He will. Beating up the bodyguard not only shows the others that he's still the boss, it brings his state of mind back to being the boss. and being everything else that goes with it.

Once his mindset makes the change, things become easier -- the beating was the first step. That smile in the mirror. Plus, it is all familiar to him. Getting back to sleeping with other girls is just getting back to his regular life. Even in NDE it was natural to him. (I don't think this diminishes his love for Carmela in his own mind).

My question is not will he or when will he, but rather how will it affect Carmela now and how will she respond. Does she accept is as part of his business, part of his life? or is it unacceptable now and she's angered because of all she has done for him through the shooting? She seems strong right now, but also a willing participant in his lifestyle. We'll have to see . . .

I think you're right. This Sunday seems too soon.





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